Mamamia Out Loud • 6 June 2025

A Famous Mother & A Treacherous Daughter

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The daughter of a famous woman has exposed the reality of caring for someone with dementia in her new book. It’s honest, raw, confronting… but how much of the story is her’s to tell? 

And do we want a ‘big life’, or are we okay with something smaller? Jessie, Holly and Em Vernem discuss, but one of us is lying about our answer.

Also, our recommendations for your mouth and ears including a podcast which might make you teary, the best veggie side dish recipe, and a stay-put lipstick that Em swears by. 

Plus, Em has a bone to pick with tunnels, Jessie is entering terrible two territory, and Holly’s life-changing appliance upgrade: it’s our Bests & Worsts of the week. 

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What To Listen To Next: 

Check out the No Filter Gracie otto interview with Kate Langbroek here.

Check out the MID Caroline Baum interview with Holly Wainwright here.

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Recommendations:

Em wants you to try the Sephora Collection New Cream Lip Stain 

Jessie wants you to listen to Hold The Moment.

Holly wants you to try Grandma green beans - a recipe from Virginia Trioli’s book A Bit On The Side.

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Credits

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

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