DSPN - Devlin Sports Podcast Network • 24 September 2025

Time to Ditch Super Rugby? Matt Williams on Rugby’s Money Game & Top 14 Power

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In part two of young producer Lachlan's chat with Matt Williams, the conversation moves more towards the global rugby scene. The pair cover off how tight the international game is, highlighted by Argentina beating Australia an New Zealand on a regular basis. Matt highlights how professionalism and the rise of northern competitions, particularly France’s Top 14, have transformed the global game and left Super Rugby Pacific struggling to stay relevant. Williams argues Australia and New Zealand must adapt, facing financial pressures, dwindling junior investment, and tough decisions about whether to move north or reinvent their domestic competitions. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for the DSPN website Instagram: @martindevlin_dspn TikTok: @martindevlin_dspn YouTube: @DevlinSportsPodcastNetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices