Duncan brings in Ashley Church and Simon O’Connor for a straight-talking panel that covers two big issues sitting side by side right now. The pressure on Chris Hipkins is building, and at the same time, questions are growing about how prepared New Zealand really is for a fuel disruption.

On Hipkins, the focus stays firmly on credibility. The panel walks through the timeline around Covid vaccine advice, cabinet papers, and what was known at the time. For them, the issue is not just political optics. It is whether a leader asking for trust can carry on when there are still unanswered questions about what was said and when.

But this episode does not stop there. The conversation shifts into fuel, and the tone sharpens. Diesel becomes the key concern, not just petrol, because of its role in keeping the economy moving. There is real unease about supply levels, how much is actually available, and whether New Zealand is relying too heavily on offshore arrangements.

What ties it all together is trust. Trust in leadership, trust in messaging, and trust that the public is getting the full story. Whether it is Covid decisions or fuel reserves, Duncan and the panel keep coming back to the same point. People want straight answers, and right now, they are not convinced they are getting them.